Exodus International is a religious association located in Orlando, Florida that is dedicated to "guiding those individuals and families affected by homosexuality." The controversy occurred when the organization developed an application to spread this message through the AppStore.
The appearance of this application accepted by Apple, a company that has supported the LGTB cause on more than one occasion, raised a stir among the activists of the gay community, who immediately sent a public request to Apple to remove it from its store. Three days later, Apple wrote to the creators of the application informing them that it had been withdrawn "for harming a large number of people."
En Actualidad iPhone we have managed to interview Jeff Buchanan, in charge of spreading the message among students. This interview is approached from an objective point of view and aims to deepen the reaction that has caused the withdrawal of the application in this religious group and what is the intention of a message that, according to them, "is not hateful" but includes a homophobic tone according to the LGTB collective.
Beginning of the translated article after the jump (you can read the original in English here):
Pablo Ortega (PO) What has been your reaction to Apple's action in removing the application from the AppStore?
Jeff Buchanan (JB) We are very disappointed in Apple. We believe that this action reflects a lack of diversity and tolerance that is so highly valued in the LGBT community.
PO Are you going to appeal this decision or do you plan to promote a petition similar to that of the LGTB group among your followers?
JB At the moment we are evaluating our options. An announcement regarding Apple's decision will be made shortly.
PO Do you think your application offended a large number of people? What was your intention with this tool?
JB There is absolutely nothing in the Exodus International message that can be considered harmful. Our message aims to promote the Body of Christ message to bring Grace and Truth to a world impacted by homosexuality. We are based on the point of view that the Bible provides about sexuality and our application, simply made accessible the information that we already offer through our website (exodusinternational.org). We want our message to be accessible on all platforms that are used today.
PO On their website they clarify that they do not intend to cure homosexuality. How do you think this sexual orientation develops?
JB There are many things that determine sexual orientation but there is no specific formula. We recognize a number of factors, such as the circumstances that surround a person in their life. In my particular case, for example, that was one of the causes in my struggle with my homosexuality. I experienced a deep disconnection with my father and my gender that made me develop an attraction for people of the same sex. So I finally made the decision to live my life according to my faith and not my sexuality. As a result, God began to change me and today I am totally happy with my life.
PO On its website we can also read that "homosexuality should be a social objective." How does Exodus International believe that society can achieve this goal?
JB I believe that we are all responsible for responding to any issue related to sexuality that affects us in our daily lives. We should always show love and compassion to the individuals, families, and friends who have been affected by this issue. Many people have doubts and are looking for answers. The Church must also spread this message of Christ's love among the LGTB community. Many have a misperception of the Church and need to experience authentic faith. Although we do not want to compromise what the Bible says about homosexuality, we do want Christ's message of love to reach the whole world.
PO Exodus International is adapting to new technologies. Was the decision to create an iPhone app intended to reach more people or were you targeting a more specific audience?
JB Our intention was to reach more people and make our message more accessible to the XNUMXst century. This adaptation to technology is important today and helps to spread our message strategically.
PO Apple rated the app for ages 4 and up. Do you agree with this rating? Do you consider it appropriate for parents to use this application to interact with their children?
JB Yes, we believe that the initial rating that Apple used was adequate. Parents should get involved in everything that has to do with today's technology and their children. The application was a tool that provided information. In our application we had a section called "Responding to bulling" where we wanted to teach parents and students to react in cases of bulling (reference: http://exodusinternational.org/exodus-student-ministries/students/bullying-tolerance/). Whether they were affected by the bulling or caused it. Now that message has been muted on the iTunes platform.
I have nothing against gays and nothing against homosexuality.
If they like it and feel good, go ahead.
But if I consider that homosexuality goes against the natural rules of life creation.
Greetings.
What seems wrong to me is that, if the interviewee is gay, he does not lead his life according to what he feels, God made us all perfect, in his image and likeness, since I can remember I am homosexual and I think that if God He did this for something and I will try to find my purpose here on earth, I will live a full life with a person with whom I feel comfortable and who makes me happy, maybe one day I will also adopt a child to give him the love that the parents straight people did not want to give him. Everyone thinks what they want, but we must respect others and launch healing messages to something that is not a disease, it is not correct to me. what people occupy is information http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENKZ8QZri40 ) and let others live happily. I don't go around with campaigns to stop being heterosexual. Anyway, I believe in God, I feel comfortable like that, I think that is how he made me and that is how I will stay, if that does not make you happy then you will be the one who is not happy because I hope to be
Rafael, your feeling of homosexuality goes against the natural rules of the creation of life. It is also the work of the Catholic Church. Do you know that biologists have been aware of homosexuality in animals for more than 200 years? ... But all this was censored. When Darwin created the theory of the origin of the species, he realized that there were animals of the same sex that had sexual relations with each other, it has been known for a long time that, for example, dolphins tend to go males with males. and females with females .. in pairs for life .. and have sex with each other .. they only separate to reproduce and then continue to maintain their relationship .. for life .. in many species there is homosexuality .. lions for example .. the lionesses usually have sex with each other and take care of their little ones when the male usually goes to his but the Catholic Church was in charge of censoring him .. at the beginning of the XNUMXth century in a zoo in Europe they brought penguins and named them and without checking their sex .. but since they were couples they dared to name them male and female because of their relationships .. after the years they realized that they were males with males and females with females… and that they had sex .. but to reproduce they separate and maintain relationships with their fellow men of different sex .. this is known but it was hidden .. there are thousands of cases .. a breed of geese come together in trios .. two males and one female .. the alpha male maintains relations with both of them .. inform yourself .. do not speak from ignorance ... it is not unnatural .. it is calculated that it is a way of controlling the birth rate .. it is not known but there will be some for it to exist and so much in nature .. there is studies that indicate that if we did not have religions with such sexist morality. where the man is by obligation very man or is degraded and the woman the same ... we would all be bisexual ... heterosexuality marked as absolute homosexuality would disappear
recent examples ..
Against ignorance the best remedy is reading.
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/portada/Hay/animales/gays/elpepusoceps/20100509elpepspor_11/Tes
Congratulations Miguel for being so consistent with yourself .. I am sure that if one day you decide to be a father that child will be one of the most beloved and the best raised in the world .. and against what many believe will have the same chances of being gay or straight than the rest of the children ... that's what others don't understand.
I repeat, I am not against homosexuality, since I am in favor of all kinds of freedom since living beings have to be free from birth until they die.
but if I say that homosexuality does not produce any creation of life.
What does a man and a woman do?
It's simple, I don't know why there is so much taboo….
One's freedom ends just as another's begins. I am not against homosexuality far from it. In fact, I always defend the freedom of all people, even those who are against it. This is an app that can be bought by whoever wants, whoever doesn't want it because they feel offended that they don't buy it, it's that simple. Censoring is not the way. If they believe that homosexuality is a disease, they are free to think like that and to spread their message to whoever they want in the same way as those who believe that homosexuality is not a disease (which I also believe). But where is the freedom if we censor those who do not think like us? For me they have the right to publish the app since they only refer to one way of thinking. There are also many people, but many people who feel offended by seeing homosexual practices in the street, for example: on the days of gay pride and that is not why we are not going to censor it despite doing it on the public highway in view of any passerby . The app is only available to those people who feel identified with that type of thinking, whether they are wrong or not ... No one has the absolute truth ... Censorship is never a good way and I know that the gay community must keep it in mind after so many years of persecution and discrimination. Freedom yes !!! But for everyone ... That's what it is.
You confuse freedom of expression with bluffing. What do you think that someone has made use of their freedom of expression to make a utility that says that AIDS is not a disease or it does not exist ... And a brother of yours listens to him and catches it ...
Or that Nazism is not bad…. Or that Catholicism is a disease ... Do not confuse terms. The National Health Organization that is not god and exists says that it is not a disease and to say otherwise is insulting .. Or would you like someone to say that your mother is ill because she is left-handed? or be Chinese ???
Those who defend the app deserve to be awarded with a gay son or grandson
And who decides what is absurd and what is not? We are talking about an app that you have to download to acquire it… So if you don't want it, don't disarm it… The word freedom encompasses everything, including freedom of expression. Censorship is not the way.
Let's see ... eXodus, are you serious? It is also against natural laws to kill for pleasure, and to hunt for pleasure, and not all murderers suffer from a brain disease (psychopathy), some kill in cold blood, others with fear ... how many things today defy the laws that we knew as natural ... Homosexuality is a social relationship, not a reproductive one, each one is related to whoever comes out of the ***. It is one thing to be with whoever you want, and another to reproduce the species (a dog will want to be with his master more than with other dogs, until he decides to reproduce, because sex for pleasure is not going to have the dog ...)
PS: If all men and women were homosexual, they would be super happy doing whatever they want ... gay couples also have children, and I'm sure they will treat them better than ignorant people who think like you: abusers, homophobes, intolerant ... People would have made a living to reproduce, that's for sure.
Post PS: I'm not gay, you just have to think a little ...
@ Luis ... A good understanding few words are enough ... I see that you have not understood anything. I do not defend the app, in fact it is an issue that does not interest me, what I defend is freedom of expression. It is so reprehensible that they censor each other, we can all feel offended by the thoughts and expressions of others, those who defend the Gay community and those who do not. But that is not why we are going to be censoring and censoring. We all have the right to think freely and express our ideas freely within clear guidelines ... I am sure that all of you who are speaking here do not have the app, you only rely on publications from outside sources to give your opinion. The app does not intend in any case to offend anyone, it only defends a thought (with which I as I said before I totally disagree) and according to that thought they try to help whoever feels identified. To the one who does not, it does not harm him in anything, he does not buy it and that's it. How many of you here have criticized Apple for the censorship it inflicts on apps of all kinds? All!!! As I have said before, censorship is not the way.
P.S. I would not mind having a gay son since for me it is not any kind of misfortune or illness ... For you it must be when you wish it to others as a revenge ... Anyway, as I said before, a few words are enough. To those who have not yet understood and continue to think that my comments are against a group or another I regret not being intelligent enough to make me understand
Pedro I think that many things that you have written you have kicked around, it is impossible for me to imagine two lionesses or two female dolphins doing cunilingus or any cpsa related to sex
Another example of freedom of expression: A real case ... 4 weeks ago (or more), in "Save me Diario", they broadcast a couple having sex in Big Brother, complete sequence, with sound and subtitles (I saw it live); the boy saying "Take it out, take it out, I'm cumming ...". It was 11:30 in the morning, and the presenters pissing with laughter, and making jokes with "I run, I run." Should freedom of expression be defended in these cases? It is worth that each one can do or say what they want (I do) but we must try to respect others and their beliefs or opinions without discrediting them. If someone says / does something hurting another person / s, people will have empathy with the affected person and will want to avoid these cases. (You would go into a church saying "I shit on God!", I find it funny, in a way, but I don't think that I would do it out of respect for a belief as great as the Christian faith, because the same with gays ... )
Joaquin searches in google for homosexual animals documentary .. And you will see it on video .. I saw it in New York in a museum where everything that the church had hidden from us came to light. Among many things
HERE YOU HAVE ... but not only this documentary is all very documentary ... but the church does not want to see it since it runs out of arguments when it says that HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT NATURAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub5mYOoXSSc
look at it if your gave allow it.
Carlos, a lot of freedom, but here those who have always been censoring everything have been them ... the Catholic Church has always censored any evidence, comment or act that went against any of their ideas ... now that they have finally lost much of the power they had Do you think they deserve to have the freedom of expression that they have always been snatching away? Now take your own medicine ...
I do not defend the church, I am not even a believer. As I have said before I defend freedom. The moment you censor them, you become like them. You cannot do what they have been doing because otherwise nothing changes ... Everything would continue to be the same dog but this time with a different collar. That is what the evolution of the human being is based on, learning from our mistakes and not committing them again. I know that the church as an institution does not deserve much credit after so many atrocities throughout the centuries, but no one will ever be deprived of freedom of expression, even from institutions that have been depriving us of it. It is a mistake and they are given legitimacy to use other avenues at the expense of diplomacy as with other irrelevant examples. Mistakes are not corrected by making other mistakes but we are condemning ourselves
I do not defend the church, I am not even a believer. As I have said before I defend freedom. The moment you censor them, you become like them. You cannot do what they have been doing because otherwise nothing changes ... Everything would continue to be the same dog but this time with a different collar. That is what the evolution of the human being is based on, learning from our mistakes and not committing them again. I know that the church as an institution does not deserve much credit after so many atrocities throughout the centuries, but no one will ever be deprived of freedom of expression, even from institutions that have been depriving us of it. It is a mistake and they are given legitimacy to use other avenues at the expense of diplomacy as with other irrelevant examples. Mistakes are not corrected by making other mistakes, but we are condemning ourselves to relive the past and not to evolve. Let's not take all this to religious or sexual issues, what is really being debated here is freedom, in this case freedom of expression, which in these times seems to be reversing rights and freedoms and if not taking a look at the latest laws in our country.
There is something that we do not take into account in these answers .. I was scared to see how many people are disrespectful towards homosexuals .. but then when examining the language you realize that many of those who defend homosexuality are European Spaniards and those who they defend the church they are from Latin America .. I am tired of comparing news where Hispanic Americans speak and when the Japanese earthquake they say stupid as God has punished them .. or elsewhere that pregnancies were avoided by making love standing up .. these pearls They are no longer heard around here luckily .. that's why .. the mentally advanced don't bother you ..
I am gay and when I assumed it I would have liked to change it, since life is easier if I am straight
That if, as soon as I grew up, knew and lived I realized that I would not change my homosexuality for anything in the world, since it is part of who I am
it is impossible to stop being gay, and nobody becomes gay even wanting to be….
And there is one thing that bothers me sooo much, The Bible is one more book, period and the Catholic religion is one more way of thinking; what you put in that book should not be taken at face value ...
People should try to try harder to make the most important thing reach everyone: feel good about who we are and how we are ...; whatever the reason why someone is thin, tall, gay, blonde, etc ... we have to know how to accept ourselves
an application that goes against self acceptance cannot be published on any site
I find it shameful that such people exist. But even more so that you do interviews promoting them. Why try to post crappy apps in the AppStore, do you have to interview them talking more about what they think than about their App? Shameful.
You cannot ask for freedom by restricting that of others. There are so many things that are a shame… Or we are also going to deprive this blog of whom to interview… Each one reads the blog they want… Whoever does not like this one, let someone else read, that is what freedom is all about.
Tomorrow I am going to create an application to "guide those people and families affected by heterosexuality, family violence, psychological abuse", and I want my beta testers to be the lords of actualidadiphone =)
The internet has other better sources on iDevices, I'm moving to them ...
Goodbye
@Carlos mmmmm? That must be why my name in the heading. Because I really am speechless (decent) reading this post. And also because I think you didn't get my comment at all. …. When I speak of having the absolute truth? In principle there is not even that. I only gave my opinion, because, as you can read, I said "for me." That's my opinion. If someone agrees fine, but then also; But yes, understand the comment well to comment on it. I may not be right, and of course I do not have the "absolute truth" but it is what I think, and what I think is that I really hate the church (yes, it is MY opinion, if you or someone else wants to love to the church, the bible and others then that they do so). With this I do not want to convince anyone, or say "yes, we all hate the church." No, I just want to talk about my point of view.
Now I still maintain and say that "free expression" is not going around the world degrading someone simply because "I have the right to express myself freely." NO! First respect, then if you express yourself as much as you want and for me the fact of creating an app to "remove or correct" homosexuality is a greater lack of respect. And well yes, I spoke ill of the church, and I told them where they could go and if that disrespected you, I apologize, you and the believers but it seems to me the last straw that it can be degrading people with his little book and nice words and one has to swallow it all after such a lack of respect.
First of all: Luis, the interview does not stop being information, so that we know what happens, and what goes through the minds of those who do these things, sometimes good, sometimes not so much ...
And then I just wanted to make it clear that the only thing that I see offensive, and that I do not think it deserves to be treated with privileges [type freedom of expression, and publicity, (which I am not saying there is)] is the fact of treating homosexuality as a disease, or as something unnatural, or as a physical-psychological-social problem or whatever ... I find it outrageous that we allow TOTALLY INVENTED information to enter the media. Just as we condemn (even if it is allowed) people like the Catalan journalist who said, in short: "the earthquake in Japan is a bitch, but the people in Haiti do not matter because they do not contribute anything, nor do anything by themselves ..."
We MUST demand contrasted, truthful and rational information ... because otherwise they will publish a magazine where they talk about the Aryan race and the inferiority of blacks and Jews ... I repeat, I am not gay, but we must not allow these things to be part of the education and the information we receive, because it will do nothing other than generate mistakes and ignorant and repressed people.
Another thing ... at first I did not take it as CENSORSHIP, but as APPLE had corrected a mistake ... nothing more: «Oops, this gili ** llez has sneaked them in, how bad of us ... Ctrl-Z ... . that's it……"
Well, at least I see that in this blog no one censored and that is very nice ... They have all let you argue something that those of the app do not. If they were on this blog as some of your readers today we would not have been able to enlighten ourselves with your comments ... Do you see the importance of not censoring? If you still don't see her ... I'm very sorry.
@ Carlos ... do not be offended, but have we said something worthy of being censored, or at least close ... ?? I do not see the similarity ... [As the church would not want to censure us so as not to ruin its reputation of: "what I say is what should be done ..., the rest of you are sick, sinners, and poor dupes ...".]
I'm sorry but giving your opinion on something (good or bad), does not deserve any censorship ... (unless your opinion is insulting or disrespecting) but giving invented information as useful is a fraud, a scam, a lie, a deception and If people believe it, I don't think we are doing well ... Although it is not censored, it should be known that the world knows that these people are putting lies in our heads (or pretending to). However, the fact of communicating to people that "there is a very controversial App blablabla ..." sometimes doesn't care, which it shouldn't (in my opinion). I repeat, they are lies, inventions ... imagine that everything that surrounds us allows lies to be published that someone can believe, in what world would we live ...? (Enough is enough as it is ...). It seems to me the same as the tarot programs ... selling lies, false hopes, and bullshit making people believe that the world will be better thanks to the magic and the energy of the stars ... (or any other nonsense) ...
I think the same as @Maumargera. I'm not gay, not lesbian, or anything, but I honestly feel offended seeing that there is an application that promises to cure people of something that is not even a disease. Because, honestly, if you look up disease in the dictionary, it will come out that it is a process that affects the health of living beings and I can tell you that my gay friends are VERY HEALTHY, even healthier than me.
And for those who say that Apple's withdrawal of the application is a sign of a lack of freedom of expression, I remind you that people's rights end where those of other people begin, and the same with freedom. By that rule of three, what I was saying up there, if I want to launch an application against blacks, Moors or even straight people, no one can stop me, right? I will embrace freedom of expression
@Sara, I'm just saying: Amen….
(a bit hypocritical right ??? haha)
Better say: OLE, OLE and OLE ...
These people do not even deserve an interview, for me this entry is superfluous.
Sara do you have the app? At no time do they discriminate against anyone, or speak ill of anyone, they simply consider homosexuality as a disease, be it wrong or it is not a way of thinking. You can create a black app if you want as long as you don't injure any of them. You may think that because they are black they are inferior to whites or not or that they are better than whites or whatever you want as long as you use the correct words and the aim is not to offend anyone. The other issue is that people agree or not buy it or ignore it because they think it is nonsense or unfounded.
Homosexuality must be repressed and exterminated. It is the same as the Catholic religion. These groups, which must be repressed, are disgusting and do not allow freedom of opinion; are you against or for. This application must have been given to so many pedophile and Catholic PRIESTS who have negatively marked the lives of so many innocents. Religion appended.
@Carlos. Do you realize what you are saying ?????
So if I want to, I can create an app that is totally racist but with "nice words." Notice that it is not in how you say it but in what you say. What you mean.
This app was an insult because it pretended and said that homosexuality is a disease! You may not take it since you are not homosexual (if you are not, if you are ... the truth is that you have little affection for yourself) but that is an insult. Pretending or even thinking, for me, that this orientation is a disease is like saying "the world is made only for normal men and women." Yes, because by saying that it is a disease, you are concluding that it is not normal.
Now (uffff is that I can't even believe you said it) create an app or well, just something against a race, a group, etc. even if it contains nice words and is directed with "respect" (which you have to learn to differentiate) is an insult, a lack of respect, and even a degradation I would dare say. I repeat the "free expression" thing to you again, you have to learn to differentiate why or if we cannot end up as you are doing.
What you say seems to me the last straw and although I am not black, homosexual, religious, or etc. etc. I felt insulted by you.
each opinion comes out here ...
@Carlos, download the app, and yes, they don't explicitly offend anyone, but it's like saying: "I'm black and I put on lightening cream, since then I feel happy" or "I'm Chinese but I make my eyes feel stronger. They open me up, I'm happier now ”, it has no moral sense, and you can make a page of what you want on the internet defending what you think and if you want without offending anyone, that on the internet, in the appstore there are rules, and If they complain about the application because they feel offended, they have the right to be treated,
I do not defend the app in question nor do I share what it says at all ... I defend freedom of expression. This app is not available in schools, bars or hospitals, it is sold in an online store and whoever downloads it. Porn also offends millions of people in the world, it is sodomized, animals are even used, countless women are abused and nobody says anything. For the record, I am not against porn but it seems to me that there is a lot of hypocrisy here and it is to give an example ... It is sold ... If you do not like it, it is not bought and that is not why it will be censored. And I assure you that there are millions of people who also find porn offensive ... And I could give a thousand more examples. Let's not be hypocrites and let people say what they want as long as their opinions are expressed with respect ... Then there is what each one wants or not in their life ... If you don't want it, don't buy it.
@ Miguel… If everyone complained about the apps they feel offended or cheated on, the app store wouldn't exist… There wouldn't be a single one left standing. If I think one thing and you don't let me express myself freely because you think differently about something than I believe, which way do you leave me? Is that the world you want to live in? I prefer to live in one where people can express themselves freely in the aforementioned conditions ... I listen, if what you say does not make sense, I turn the page to something else, butterfly ... If one feels good about what he does or feels the words of a minority should not be a reason to be offended as long as their thoughts reflect them with respect.
Joaquin:
List of mammals in which homosexual behavior has been observed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
And you won't imagine female dolphins doing "scissors", but it actually happens:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Wild+dolphins+off+Brazil+engage+in+homosexual+behavior%3A+daily.-a077058248
This discussion has been good… But I would like to make one thing clear. As some colleagues have said, the simple fact of publishing such an application is a terrible offense against human freedoms (for many, for people with common sense ...) I think that "something" must be done against people who perpetuate, defend and enact actions of this type, if not, the world would degenerate much more. If this "something" is censorship, then what is going to be done to it? Many agree that it is an important offense, IMPORTANT (I repeat) not a whim ... The "offer" (deception) to cure something incurable, because it does not have the qualities of a disease, politely insults a group; just by existing (or allowing its existence) further promotes rejection. However, we have all said the most important thing: Freedom is a right that is won when we give the right to freedom to others, and through this type of movement (the APP) we only manage to deprive and repress human freedoms. YOU LOSE YOUR RIGHTS OF FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IN A MEDIA, WHEN YOU PUT IN EVIDENCE OR INSULTS (EDUCATELY) TO OTHER PEOPLE. If you want freedom, earn it with respect ... and no matter how beautiful his words are, you cannot find respect ...
Keep in mind that we are not talking about an App for "GPS mobile location", or a "Mirror for iPhone" that does not work, we are facing a public and free demonstration of HOMOPHOBIA, it is something terrible that causes DEATHS, ABUSE, DICRIMINATION, SUICIDES etc ... it's serious, not just another "toy" ...
Imagine that they create an App with the 50 best ways to hit a woman without leaving marks ... Freedom of expression? Censorship? It seems to me that neither of the 2, the creator would be eaten alive ... It is not a joke, it is something very serious ... We must educate society, and Exodus too, and tell them «YOUR APP IS A SHAME FOR THE XNUMXST CENTURY WORLD , SO PUT IT IN WHERE IT FITS », I think it is a MORE than reasonable option (I would say concise ...) ...
Miguel seems absurd to me what you say….
If you believed in God or in what the Bible says (if you have ever read it) you would not say that God has made you homosexual and you would stay so hot ... because the Bible speaks clearly against homosexuality as a sin of the man.
By that same rule of 3, anyone can justify their actions.
The murderer can say that God made him like that, the alcoholic and the drug addict too, the abuser too, the one who steals ... .. everyone can say that he was born like this because we are all sinners ... ..
But there is the salvation of God who forgives us.
Then mental illnesses come in in some cases of murderers but that is another more complex issue….
Anyway, this is censorship by Apple in the face of social pressure ...
Because as the colleagues have said, it is one more app and whoever feels the need to read what the download puts and what does not do not… .. and that's it.
By the way, I still haven't seen a straight pride parade.
I do not know what you think but of course there has to be more freedom so that if they want to transmit that message through the App store they can do so.
Salu2
Some of you who talk about animals and sexual relations understand the difference between thought and instinct… precisely the animal does that out of instinct…. I do this because I feel like it now and if I sleep it is because I have sleep; or if I eat it because I am hungry if I have sex it is because I want the climax, if I masturbate it is because I want to reach the climax and I do not have no one else (the case of monkeys)… .. so go ahead .. anyone who wants to compare himself to a monkey seems great to me but I just want to say that the difference between man and animal is intelligence… let's be smart.
There is not a single document in which the church discovers that nature is homosexual. there may be studies that for fear that people would say what you are saying now (that the church supports it) they will hide. Also .. if nature is life on that we all agree nope ??? With anal intercourse in human case, do not create life, create pleasure, vice whatever you want but not life ... neither in the animal or plant world ... you can change sex and everything you want but you always need a man and a woman .... and God has not made you like that…. I know that my last comment can lead to my post being deleted but I don't care…. An abnormal person (retarded) is because he is not normal, he has something that did not work. What is normal? Well, what is normal within a genre, what is common, what is done ... how many people are abnormal compared to normal? for that is why he is abnormal. also that you know that homosexuality in people with mental retardation is very common and you know why .. because of the vice and pleasure it causes them .. and those are mentally ill just like the murderer, the rapist, the pedrasta or the HOMOSEXUAL if they are You may or may not treat that is another issue but that they are mentally ill .. either due to experiences or behaviors around them or anything else ... I have no doubt.
@ mumarguera ... the conversation has been good yes ... but what do you guess why? because none of us have been censored and that opinions of all kinds have come out. That I think that gambling is a disease, whether or not it offends any gambler and I tell you that going to play machines is also a wish or a need. I can freely express my opinion on what I believe or not to be a disease, another thing is that I am right. Nobody here has talked about gays being bad, they have to be killed, beaten etc ... here is a person who with his own experience creates an app to try to cure something that he believes is a disease and treats it with all the respect in the world . By that I do not mean that I am right. But if we say that homosexuality is not a disease (I repeat: I do not think it is) but a feeling and therefore it is something normal ... What about the feelings of this person? He is homosexual, he knows the cause first hand and he feels that it is a disease ... do we not respect his feelings here? Are the feelings of some worth more than others? I have reviewed the app and I have not seen anything that can be classified as offensive. The mere fact of thinking that homosexuality is a disease is not reason enough to censure even if you are wrong. Are smokers sick? So why are they treated as such? Can smoking be cured without being a disease? yes, of course ... in the app they do not expressly say that it is a disease but that it can be treated ... people who do not like being homosexual can treat the problem ... those who like it and feel good there is nothing to treat ... Where is the problem? I have met some gay man who has had a terrible time for being homosexual and not because nobody will reject him but because it was a problem for him to be one for whatever reasons he had ... not everyone is happy as he is born, sometimes one does not know He feels good about himself and has to be able to deal with what he considers to be a problem. In the app they do not expressly say that homosexuality is a disease, they only say that it can be treated like many other problems in the world that are not diseases and are also treated.
Carlos… OLE OLE AND OLE… .. I agree with you in everything… except… that it seems to me a disease as I have already expressed above
Hello again:
First of all, made from wikipedia, (the most reliable and reviewed encyclopedia in the world) "An ADDICTION is a physical and psycho-emotional illness, according to the World Health Organization" (clarification: not to be confused with a VICE)
With this simply, I leave it saying that "the international scientific community considers that homosexuality is not a disease" (supposedly people who know a lot, studied a lot and worked a lot about it ...)
@Carlos, (and @andres, «challenger» of the international scientific community), one thing is an opinion, a belief, something subjective because everyone can see certain things in one way, but HOMOSEXUALITY is what it is ... period , there is no more twist, if you want to see it one way or another, well ale, live happily in your precious bubble, but leave the rest of the world alone. Now it occurs to me that the earth is square, period ... and to enact it; at least they should call me crazy ... and, BEING SOMETHING DEMONSTRATED, AS IT IS! to this group of people they should also do the same.
I'm sorry, but I do not accept the dissemination of LIES to the public for free and consensual, for the mere fact of spreading a VERY SERIOUS false message to society. Because it is SERIOUS ... There are malicious and ill-educated people who can learn and spread that HORRIBLE BELIEF (since it is something still very latent) And I'm sorry @andres, don't be offended, but I include you ...)
PS: I found all this interesting, not thanks to the NO CENSORSHIP of the comments, (which would be strange and irrational, for there are no reasons), but because it is something important that must be clarified, since apparently there is a lot of people who are not very clear about it (and I mean at all times the treatment of homosexuality, Carlos, not freedom of expression, since that can be more subjective, the other is not)
As I have said in all my writings, I am not against homosexuality nor do I think it is a disease. Do not take things for granted or proven even when thousands of scientists approve it ... Do you know what the theory of relativity is? It is the theory that is used to understand the universe and explain how everything works ... Well, despite having been established in our society for decades now with quantum physics there are discrepancies since at the quantum level that theory fades. A theory is being sought without success that links these two supposed absolute truths since the two separately contradict each other… And they are two absolute truths !!!… Something is true until someone arrives and proves the opposite… So by many reports, studies, analysis that you present me affirming an absolute truth you will find the same amount of documents affirming the opposite. We already know how many things throughout the history of humanity have been proven and then everything has been just the opposite .. So let people think that thanks to that the human being is heterosexual or homosexual is today where he is. In this country, we all know that repression, the lack of freedom of expression, and single-mindedness do not bring anything good.
If we are going to see it that way, each one can do, say or think what comes out ... society needs something to be guided by, and if we are going to go through the lining what they are trying to explain to us ... okay.
There are EVIDENT things to have doubts about, but let's say I BELIEVE there are others that DO NOT DESERVE IT (even if they are wrong 50 years from now). I totally agree with what you have said, everything can be refuted in the future, like so many other things ... but, rational and "intelligent" as we should be, let's question certain things, but we should not get into other things ... (this is pure own subjectivity) ... But if you are right in what you said.
And who decides what is worthwhile and what is not? In any case, it is always a pleasure to exchange ideas and thoughts even when they are the opposite of what I believe or think ... I thank you Maumarguera for the time dedicated to refuting all the above and for the record that I do not believe in absolute truths and therefore neither do I I got it.
I'm not a scientist, but I'm not naive either. What you put on the internet I decided not to believe it for a long time. If you think that wikipedia is reliable, you are confused friend, wikipedia was created to create a social encyclopedia, and as such it is not something reliable, it is not written by the doctors and scientists who claim to have said or investigated such things. If you do not believe it, here is another respectable publication such as the newspaper el mundo in which they say that it is not reliable: http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2010/06/14/ciencia/1276516551.html
To continue as Carlos has told you, if you have found a study that proves not to be a disease, here I present another in which a certain super super doctor says that it is: http://www.aciprensa.com/noticia.php?n=2142 (I do not think that because it is a Christian website it has less credibility ... .. or we are going to do the same with Christians that you do not want to be done with homosexuals)
As you understand, I do not rely on what this doctor says to give my opinion. I base myself on what I think it is. There are rumors in which they say that gays are born with more or less hormones or I don't know what you milk .. is it true? I don't think ... but it can be ... if it can ... I don't know I'm not a doctor. but that is a problem on a mental level that if I believe it.
And just remind you that a few years ago, if you ate the brain of another proven "scientifically" you acquired their knowledge ... later it was shown that it was not very good to do that precisely ... and how you have millions of cases.
At no time have I belittled or insulted the homosexual public. I have only tried to talk about them as I would about a mentally ill person who for me is what they are. And it seems to me that we cannot ignore the issue that there are many who come there for vice. I know specifically a person who recognized me that he entered the homosexual world at 17 years old after his first sexual relationship and he only did it to prove he liked it and there he has stayed, what a coincidence this person had problems relating to the other sex and found what he was looking for in his same sex. Therefore he was not born homosexual .. he became .. .. just as there are people who are not born psychopath .. it is done ...
Exodus International is one of the most powerful homophobic or anti-gay organizations in the United States, it has several centers throughout that country where it offers and charges for its "counseling services" so that its gay clients stop being gay. He charges quite a bit for his consultations; their so-called services or "therapies" are not led by professionals, but by untrained amateurs and by religious ministers of the Protestant evangelical or "Christian" sects. Exodus also supports other organizations in the anti-gay therapy business, kindly called "ex-gay therapy." Exodus also practices anti-gay activism, not without derogatory and threatening words. With this background, how did Exodus hope that it wouldn't be kicked out of the iPhone apps?
Don't be fooled. The religious extremism or right-wing Christian organization "Exodus International" not only promotes their lucrative "restoration services for unwanted homosexual orientation" (as they put it in their rhetoric), but is also dedicated to anti-gay activism. One of the most SINISTER aspects of this "Christian" organization is that it lobbied in the country of Uganda for a bill that is quite cruel and inhumane: the death penalty for gays and lesbians and life imprisonment for parents who do not report them to the authorities. their own children to be killed. Life imprisonment would include children who do not report their own parents, doctors who do not report their own gay patients, employers who do not report their workers, etc. And the worst thing is that this law would abrogate the right to persecute gays and their relatives even if they are FOREIGNERS. Of this size is the Christian HATE of Exodus International, the most powerful anti-gay hate organization since the German Nazi Party. And that's how they wanted to be on the IPhones?
Thanks Ex-Buga, Nothing more to add ...
If you don't like APPLE, I don't know what to do on this page, because you have to know that the company is being led by a Homosexual at the moment. And yes, I believe that God loves me since I was born until today, the feeling is mutual and it did not cease to exist when I discovered my preferences.
I want to stop being gay, I have realized that the happiness of homosexuals is momentary and does not last at all, it is undoubtedly an emptiness and whoever tells me that they are happy, give me their number to write it down, because honestly they live a lie I wonder WHAT MAKES YOU HAPPY BEING GAY? The fact of feeling like a woman and being used by men feeling like you are eating the world. because the gay likes it is pure sex but nothing.