Everyone knows that buying an iOS device is a guarantee of being able to receive operating system updates for a few years, while No one can guarantee that your Android device is updated to a higher version than the one it comes from the factory. However, it is still interesting to be able to visualize this fact graphically, and that is why fidlee has created the graph that heads this article, which reflects the updates that the main Android and iOS devices have received. The graph indicates in green that the device has the latest software version available, in yellow that it is one version behind, in orange two versions behind, and so on until reaching black, with more than 4 versions behind.
The creators of the graph highlight the fact that they have taken "leading" devices from the main brands that manufacture Android devices, leaving aside other brands such as Kyocera, ZTE, Garmin, Casio ... the data would have worsened even more. It is also important to note that we are talking about "older" software versions, not small updates. Analyzing the data we can find very interesting things:
- Of the 16 Android devices selected, 10 were discontinued before one year of life.
- 6 of the 16 Android devices never had the latest software version available, not even at launch.
- 4 of the 16 Android devices stopped receiving software updates before one year of life.
- All devices were already one version behind the latest available before they were two years old. (minus the Nexus 4 which is not yet two years old), and 13 of the 16 were even two versions behind.
- The device that was updated the longest to the latest version was the Galaxy Nexus, for a year and 10 months.
There is little to say about iOS devices, since the graph is quite classifying, but a couple of things can be highlighted:
- The iPhone 3GS has been the one that has been updated the longest to the latest version, for 4 years and 3 months.
- The iPhone 3GS and 4 were discontinued 3 years and 4 months after their launch.
Another important detail is how updates get to users: Google launches an update approximately every 6 months, but it does not reach the users, but the manufacturers who add their modifications to then send them to the operators who must test them before they reach the end user. By the time the user receives the update, it is usual that Google has already released another new update. Apple works without intermediaries, not allowing anyone (not the carriers) to modify its software, and offering the update directly to users, simultaneously worldwide and for all devices.
¿All that glitters in Apple is gold? Obviously not. Just because a device receives the software update does not mean that it has all the functions available. In fact, it is normal that this is not the case. The most obvious cases occurred with the arrival of Siri, or with the 3D functions or turn-by-turn navigation of Maps, limited to the most modern devices of the moment, when older ones would be perfectly capable of enjoying them. But at least there is the consolation of being able to use the latest software and be able to install the applications that require being updated to it.
More information - Apple releases iOS 7.1 for developers
WTF?
Shouldn't this comparison be of iPhones vs Samsung or vs HTC or vs Huawei…?
How are you going to compare the updates of 4 terminals made and maintained by the same brand with thousands of terminals made and maintained by brands totally unrelated to each other? As if it was not known that the updates do not depend on Google, but on the manufacturer of the terminal ...
for that reason, because it does not depend on google. you buy a terminal from a company which does not have an OS and updates its OS when and if it wants, that is, never. And to update what do you have to do? … ..In short, a list of 2 pages of things. On iOS? go to settings, updates and hit a button. it's already updated. Apple also releases updates when it wants and for whom it wants, but at least it is easy to update. On android it is impossible for 90% of people who own android
Look, there are no updates via OTA on any other phone, only on the iphone.
And look, I have iphones, ipods, ipads, macs, apple tv's ... but I have never met a character like you.
What daring is ignorance…
Come to my house right now and I'll give you my girlfriend's sony Ericson Neo V with android 2.x. You tell me with 3 steps I update to the most recent version that I can. okay? And then you tell me if it has OTA or not, ok? Well, according to you, the android that Sony carries is not android, because Sony has already modified it.
As you say, "How daring is YOUR ignorance ..."
But let's see little one ...
Manufacturers do not modify android, but install their own customization layers to distinguish them from the competition.
Install Nova Launcher for example, and tell me what you see from Sony on that phone.
I'll go to your house, but to show you a bit how this is going, that I see you green.
Samsung has OTA updates for example. And well, who said that with 3 steps you can update it?
But come on, yes, you give me that phone, 50 euros (which for someone as ignorant as you is a good price) and I'll give it back to you with android 4.4
Do yourself a favor and don't make a fool of yourself anymore.
Your face is green, go to your mother to clean it for you.
I tell you that with 3 steps you update your iphone. You can say the same for android. If you have to repeat things a thousand times, stop smoking boil that your tweezers are missing. Joer, it's the cane. They are talking about one thing and you have to repeat things a thousand times because you don't even know what you are talking about.
Let's see, recap. You say that for android there are updates. I tell you that yes, that when there are, and that when there is, most of the time they are super complicated to update, that in ios it is much easier, in 3 steps you do it. You say that in android there is also OTA. I tell you that I give you my girlfriend's mobile with Android and that you do it in 3 steps. You say who said that in 3 steps, and that Samsung does have OTA, that for € 50 you update my girlfriend's mobile. Joer, if you look silly. I'm telling you that IOS is easy, you tell me that in android there is also OTA, but it turns out that to update a sony in 3 steps I can and I have to pay € 50? If you are agreeing with me, don't you see that above you agree with me, you seem very silly? that you have to repeat things a thousand times? It seems that you have defects in your brain that you forget the things you write and on top of that you are not able to read them again.
Leave it, look at what is the best and fastest. You must have something in there, or rather, you must not have anything at all.
The problem is, since you do not know how to debate arguing because you suffer from a lack of knowledge and values, you resort to disrespect.
Let's see, I'll explain it to you again and I'm going to bathe my fish, that this is wasting time.
Devices with updates from the manufacturer update as easily as iOS devices.
Now, what happens when the manufacturer no longer provides updates to said terminal?
Android case: You have to find your tricks to be able to update it. It will be 10 steps with a flashing tool and maybe not very affordable to the common user, but can it be? YES.
IOS case: Can't. You can break your head and lose all the time you want, but you won't be able to.
Advancement, progress, our benefit, as users, lies in having as many options as possible. Android offers it to you because it is free software, iOS not because it is closed.
And you have to pay 50 euros if you want me to update your girlfriend's terminal because the benefit increases when knowledge decreases and, in your case, borders on levels not typical of the human species.
We make a deal, I update your girlfriend's Xperia Neo V to Android 4.4 and you update my iphone edge, my iphone 3g, my ipod touch 2g or my first generation ipad to iOS 7, okay?
It was a joke huh, I was not going to let someone like you touch something of mine.
hahahaha you contradict yourself!
Do you attack Android accusing the companies that manufacture terminals? Explain that to me xD
If you complain that company "X" does not update, do not buy terminals from THAT company, but do not blame Android.
By the way, what a pity that you have not tested Android thoroughly (HOW IT SHOULD BE TO BE ABLE TO JUDGE) because coincidentally Android also has a button in Settings to automatically update the terminal to the latest version available (;
Yes?? Ok, sony erickson neo V with android version 2.3. Tell me where is that option to update automatically. Come on, tell me. Let's say it!!!!!!! Search the internet and say so. Go ….!!!!!!!!! Just say that. If not, don't answer me. If it is that, all the life killing fools, and there are still millions and you.
I have tested android as much as ios. And no company gets updates every time Google does it (at least they take a few more months). Or what happens that above you are stupid, ?? look at the FUCKING GRAPHIC that heads the post. Do not you see that most of the companies that use android stop supporting their terminals !!!! What are you DOBO or BOBISIMO ???. If it is that above it is not that you are contrary to me, it is that you are contrary to empirical studies of companies that are dedicated to it.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ... etc ... etc ... hahaha
Easy boy, who's going to give you something! XD
It seems that your life is going to protect "The Big And Magnificent Apple", this is already over fanaticism hahahaha come on kid, relax and don't send hitmen home, eh? that we are here to debate, not to throw ourselves at the necks of others (;
Whenever you want, we continue a civilized and humane debate.
By the way, I have not blamed Android, I have said that android is the problem it has. And if you ask anyone who has 1 finger in the forehead and knows what they are talking about, they will tell you the same thing. ANDROID'S PROBLEM IS THE SEGMENTATION THAT IT HAS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm going to repeat it, I'm going to make a shirt with the message.
Make yourself a better shirt with the H that is missing from "fed up", your eyes hurt from reading you with so many faults.
Seriously? Do you know what segmentation is? I see that no.
Targeting is not about a manufacturer releasing updates for your device.
Segmentation, basically, is a problem that consists in that you cannot make an operating system that fits perfectly in the terminals because there are too many terminals with that system on the market.
The same thing happens to Windows, to almost any Linux distribution, to Android and, ultimately, to any company that develops software and not hardware.
Apple develops software and manufactures hardware. You develop your software for your hardware, and it needs fewer resources to function because it is made to work specifically there.
And, although I know you're going to say no, the same thing is happening at Apple as well.
There are already many iPhones on the market, with different screen sizes with different aspect ratios (a tough task for developers).
The latest update, iOS 7, on my iphone 4 is tremendously slow, I have not wanted to install it on the ipad due to the complaints there are.
The new devices have been thought about, that's why the old ones do not work well.
Like if you install WS 2k13 on a pentium 4.
The truth is, I got into this page and I freak out how proapple it is, without any rigor for me, my xperia arc from 2011 has 4.4 kitkat while my ipod touch with ios 6 stays
Have you officially upgraded your 2011 Xperia Arc to KitKat? Which iPod touch are you talking about?
tell your grandfather to update your mobile, see if he knows. then give it an ios and tell it to update, see if it knows.
Since we are, I doubt that your grandfather (and many other people) even knows how to put books and sync iTunes with your iPhone.
Comment tb the technical service of Apple ...
Just this afternoon for the second time I noticed the power button was failing. I've been to Apple ... In 5 minutes
Third iphone that they give me in less than a year….
Well, what are you doing to them hehe joke joke! but in that they are very responsible 😀 greetings
It is a typical failure of iphone 5 ...
And what does the technical service have to do with it? The title deals with the old devices. And in old endings, Apple takes the prize to leave them completely aside. So how can you give a point in favor for that? An iPhone 5 of course that they will change it right away, but let's see if when the iPhone is 5 years old they are so kind ... It's business, when the iPhone no longer has updates, you will be forced to buy another. Let's see if you think that Aplple is stupid and in their apps store they change iPhones as if they were pajamas. When with the plan I renew that there is, today if you have an Iphone 4, and want to change it for another Iphone (because the home button fails, for example), Apple asks you € 150 plus your terminal when they have sold you € 700 when the phone came out. HAHAHA
I do not pick at the trap. Very happy with my free iphone 4 32 Gb, which only cost me € 150 secondhand. And when Apple leaves me lying with it, I will not say that IOS sweeps Apple in support of old terminals. This is the case, for example, of Shazam, that when IOS 7 came out, shazam was only valid for IOS 7. Do you mean to tell me that an iPhone 4 with IOS 6 could not run the shazam update? Come on please, what happens is that everyone eats Apple's "ass", including me.
and when with android you don't have updates? Do you go to Samsung and they give you the new mobile? or how is this going? in apple if you pay for a new mobile when you want it, but not in android? I don't really understand what one thing has to do with the other
If you read another comment that I have put in this same post is the answer. Here the writer of the article says that brands like ZTE would worsen the results. That is where I want to go. An example is the ZTE skate, which according to ZTE has only been left in Gingerbread, and I have the mobile running, not with Ice cream sandwich or Jelly Bean, if not with KitKat! It's like seeing a 2g iphoe with IOS 6 hahaha, do you understand me?
no, but i don't care
Well, they could focus more on making phones that don't break 3 times in a year ...
The title has also impacted me a lot. I think it is totally the opposite. I believe that with the Iphone, you pay a significant amount of money so that in the not too distant future (4 years) the mobile cannot be used for anything. Because even if it works, what developer is going to support an outdated iphone? The iphone 4 for example, in a couple of years it will no longer have updates from Apple, and you will not even be able to use whatsapp.
In Android everything is more free, it is not so capable, and to any cheap mobile with Android, ZTE for example, you can update it to your own OS even if it does not have official support. Even even saying Samsung that it was not going to release an update for a certain mobile, "because the hardware requirements are lower than what is needed" the community itself manages to make the latest version of the OS work. For me that is a great advantage in favor of Android.
Then the image you show is very curious too. It says that the Galaxy S3 will not receive updates after two and a half years from the date of the launch of the terminal. You want to tell me that if an android mobile with Ram 512 can be updated to KitKat, the S3 with much better hardware will not run future android updates ...
That's why I say Apple is a very "closed" system. Try to modify your an IPSW file which is where the OS is located, it is impossible, just as it is impossible to download the IOS version without having the shh saved.
Currently the system looks for the latest app compatible with your system
Whatsapp on iphone 3g?
Android is free, although the manufacturer does not send you the updates, you can install them in other ways, it does not only depend on campaigns like Apple.
tell your grandfather to update your mobile, see if he knows. then give it an ios and tell it to update, see if it knows. You put the result here.
And what does my grandfather or your grandfather have to do with all this, you could also use your mother as an example XD
If you know or do not know that is another point, the important thing is that you will have the updates on Android.
Yes, I could put anyone.
And no, the important thing is that you will not have the updates on Android, or yes. Who knows. You can look at the graphic that links the post. It seems that NO, you will not have the updates on Android, or not all….
It seems that the dragging that Thomas and Javier have given you has been of no use to you. Are you stubborn or you just like to be against it.
It seems to me that the person who wrote the article misses something, an owner of an android, will find an update for his android, when he pleases, not when the manufacturer decides, because the updates are done by google, and the 98% of the android have the possibility of finding a rom cm or a paranoid that they like, for example, I have a galaxy s advance that if I want, I can install kitkat, that is 4.3, the latest OS, or return it to a 4.2, or a 4.1.2, or a gingerbread, if I please, according to the one I like the most, take out and put funds, icons, kernels, and make the smartphone work as I THINK, IN ANY WAY I OCCUR , AND NOT AS MISS MANZANITA LIKES IT. I don't like what samsung puts on it? I take it off, did I regret it? I put it back on. I can't imagine how boring a machine is that decides for me, that is, the machine must do what I want, not the other way around. A question to apple users, if you update to IOS 7, and you don't like it, can you go back one or two OS, for the simple reason that you are sung?
tell your grandfather to update your mobile, see if he knows. then give it an ios and tell it to update, see if it knows. And that happens with 90% of the people who have android.
You are not heavy almost. How many grandparents have an iphone?
I'll give you an iphone 5s and I'll give you 1000 euros if you install ios 6. If your grandfather does the same, I'll give him a million.
Can you give me a million if I install 4.0 on an S4?
I do not know where you will live, but grandparents are not dedicated to updating phones where I live
Why do you judge me without knowing me?
Graduated in administration, web design, multiplatform programming, management, computer security and with several certificates officially issued by Linux, Microsoft, Cisco and VMware.
Unlike you, I don't speak without knowing.
Come hacker, go back to your cave to program TDT's, if the grandparents have not yet acquired that niche in the market.
I judge you by what you say. If you don't want to be judged for what you say, don't say anything, or don't say stupid things.
Titled in "web design, multiplatform programming, management ???" management of what? Web design? In the Ministry of Education they do not know any type of official qualification called "web design, multiplatform programming,…." or that has to do with «web design,… ..». But very well, you can invent the degrees or academic titles you want. How funny.
Oie, what is that "linux" company that issues you certificates? ... I did not know that there was an organization and / or body and / or company called Linux that issued certificates ... (by the way, what?).
I have not said that I could do anything that I do not know or cannot, bragging that I can do something, and all I do is copy a manual. As I told you, you know four things and you think that is why you are a genius, for knowing how to install an android on a phone. You can show off to your sister's friend or your friend's boyfriend, you don't impress me at all. That is why I judge you. You say you can install X in Y because you do what a manual tells you. When hackers do the same for iphone, I do it too, just like you. The case is, when nobody gives you that manual, you don't even know how to format the mobile, no matter how free Android is.
And it continues to show off invented and unofficially issued titles, not officially of anything.
Seriously? I do not understand what can lead a person to want to ridicule themselves like that.
Cross-platform application development is not a degree? Do you know how applications are developed? Yes, programming.
Web application development, Doesn't it have to do with web design?
And with the Linux thing, you embroider it. Do you know what IT Essentials is? What stupid questions do I ask, if you don't know anything.
I don't need to invent anything, unlike you.
You copy a manual that people like me write. That you do not know practically anything about an operating system does not mean that the rest of us have to be that ignorant.
But it is that in addition to being ignorant in terms of knowledge, you have a severe lack of shame. You have no problem proving to the readers of this website that you have a leak in your head.
And the icing on the cake:
"And it continues to show off invented and unofficially issued titles, not officially of anything."
Translation please.
hahahaha I love how you ridicule that memo.
When a »Grandfather» appears in Itunes: Error 3194, or Error 1604, or Error 1611… will he also know how to update it?
he goes to an apple store and they do it for him.
Go to a Sony Gallery and tell them to update your phone, and leave with € 50-100 to pay for it, if they have released their own update version, of course. And if they know what you are talking about, the same thing is left with the face of "this grandfather is crazy" or "what the hell is this grandfather saying."
Checked in person, can you say the same?
Go to Apple a year and a month after the date of purchase that, although the law requires them to offer a two-year warranty in Spanish territory, they deceive you and make you hire an apple care.
Or well, give me 150 euros and I'll give you a used phone that I pretend to be new, and I'll sneak this one that you bring us.
That is not true. I can assure you from direct experiences.
Hey, if they cheat on you it's one thing. If you allow yourself to be fooled, it's up to you.
I am not deceived, with the law in hand I have a 2 year guarantee, yes or yes.
With the law in hand, SONY GALLERY does not have to install updates for me, which gives them the right to charge whatever they want. Pay it or not is your decision. They are different things.
In an apple store, whether or not you have a guarantee, they help you update, yes, yes or yes. Try it and tell me. I already tried it on Sony, and with money in between they would do whatever I wanted. In apple I tried it and they did it to me without saying a single but.
That is the question.
Wait! I'm going to send my grandfather to New York, since it's the closest Apple Store XD haha
haaaaaaay fanboys, they no longer know where to scratch to try to wash coconut that apple is still superior, do yourself a favor, switch to android.
Moderator, become an apple professional before you want to minimize the one on the left, even if you don't get it.
Very true, free and continuous updates over the years, and on android they already sell it to you with a previous operating system, remember that not all are hackers to update through tricks.
puffffff jjajjajjajj I don't even know how to laugh, anyone who knows a bit of computer science and software processes, jjajajajaj, aksjasdfkjasd falsd.
When you were still in the process of creation, I was already giving you a thousand laps in computer science and software processes. When you discovered free software, I had a snack and ate it as a snack. You are going to tell me about free software, listin, that you discovered it yesterday and you keep saying the milongas that everyone says when they just got to know it. That if it is great, that if it is patatin, that if it is potato !!!
Ready, you're smart! You don't even know what free software is. You don't even want to know what free software costs. Because I suppose you know that free software costs, just like any other person's job. That YOU do not pay it does not mean that it does not cost. And surely you will use free software because you do NOT want to pay, not because of what free software means. I bet what you want that you have not touched a single line of free code in your life to contribute to the community. The great lover of free software.
How clever I am, but you don't know how much, of smart people like you who speak without having absolutely ZERO knowledge of anything.
Free software is very nice, but here android is NOT free, it is not free because your sony or your HTC or your samsung makes it stop being free, free because you cannot do what you want with it, because the manufacturers They coat it, because they modify it at will and because they screw it up without further ado.
Free software is maintained and paid for by hundreds of thousands of companies, or perhaps not so many, but I assure you that it is not completely free. Why? Well, very easy sir, I know everything about free software. When the great man who created ubuntu gets tired, stops having a hard time and / or stops having the support of X developers, he will cease to exist. Yes, very free when it was, but when it ceased to exist, what? Are you coming to keep it? the ready of free software? Or are you going to pay someone a few euros to keep it? and are you going to put those eurillos? You don't even know what free software entails.
Free software is a utopia, a dream that will never come true. Yes, there is a lot of free software, and hundreds of free software projects die every day. That means more expenses, more effort and more work.
When free software is really free and trust and usability can be placed in it, then if it will be free software, we will be talking about free software as such. Until then it is only free software because of its name, not because of what it stands for.
The one of the eurillos, surely no one would pay you, you are talking about free software !!! what eurillos or what ostia! do something for the community and leave the eurillos!
I did not know that in addition to not knowing what you are talking about, you were a cocky rude.
If you like your IOS, there you have it, eat it with your bread 😛 and keep making a fool of yourself boasting about something as ridiculous as the headline.
But don't start by saying that "When you discovered free software, I used to have a snack and ate it as a snack" and then go on to expose yourself by saying one nonsense after another. Have a little dignity and leave on time.
We are going to put some examples of nonsense that you have said:
- "Because I suppose you know that free software costs, just like any other person's job."
The typical failure of the one who confuses "free" with "free". Please turn the page. And quickly, there you are going to get cold. L
- «I bet what you want that you have not touched a single line of free code in your life to contribute to the community.»
And you are the one who calls me my smartass? 😀 Please stop making a fool of yourself, you are too good at it and it is not doing you any favors.
- "Free software is a utopia, a dream that will never come true."
Very good! Do you know what HTTP server is serving this blog? APACHE! And do you know what license Apache has? Surely you guessed it… Apache is free software! And you will say ... maybe Apache doesn't use it, right? Well here you have:
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2013/08/09/august-2013-web-server-survey.html
About half of the world's web servers use Apache. And those are a few. I thought that a utopia was something unrealizable, but this is very, very accomplished ... something does not fit me! Either you do not know what you are saying, or the RAE deceives us with the meaning of utopia !!
Well, just in case you use nginx, which is third in the ranking, it is also free software. Utopian according to you, but there it is.
Does firefox sound familiar to you? It is free software.
Chromium? Free software.
Does WordPress sound to you? free software.
Does jdownloader, transmission, openoffice, thunderbird, owncloud, mysql, etc, etc, etc sound familiar to you? free software!
Damn, well, let's see if this free software thing is going to end up being feasible. Let's see if it is going to be in _all_ the fields of computer science, since time immemorial…. Let's see if they are not going to depend on a company. Let's see if the community really supports them ...
Let's see if you're going to have made a horrible fool of yourself saying otherwise ...
It would be a bad leg, eh?
But hey, then you're sick of talking to people like me, who don't have any knowledge. Well, I do know something. A _ little bit_ of nothing You had the bad leg to puncture the bone 😀
I have spent more time than your comment was worth, but it is not bad to put someone who has it so believed on their site lol it has been good for me
You do not give absolutely any kind of reasoning, just a "comment of mine" you have no idea, "comment of mine" you have no idea, …… Of course, it's true, with that reasoning you can be right, debates like a true politician .
Apart of this. Free software is a reality, but in very few areas, and in fact, the web is where the case is most. Anyway, I keep telling you, community ?? yes, there are, and very large all over the world. Take away their grants and donations from mozilla, apache or mysql. I'll tell you how long it takes to disappear, like hundreds of free and free software projects that have disappeared, left without support, maintenance and / or updates. Sure, free software from large companies that support this software and live off its maintenance, no, but let's see that free software for which nobody gives a penny. for example, cyberduck for mac. Before it was free, now it costs € 21,49.
Free software, as I said, costs. And the people who do eat it. And eat food, not air. And food is not made with free software 3D printers. They buy food, with money they earn from their jobs making free software, maintaining it, supporting it, managing it, managing the community, progress, progress. And those people work for money, and that money comes from donations and companies that sponsor that free software. That in 90% of the cases.
And returning to the point of the great lover of free Android software. Android is a very good system. Trouble? Google does it, improves and updates. Hundreds of companies arrive, device companies and others, they take advantage of that, that it is a good system, that it is free (because Samsung is here to make money, and if you can save a billion in system development, using android, it saves you, that's why you use it) and these companies screw it up, alter it, disassemble it and transform it. Result? a corrupt system comes to the user, worthless, insufferable, impossible to update, to maintain, to use. Not for android, but for the use that is given to it. That's the problem.
And since we are with little guys, I'm going to give you my HTC Dream, and you update it to version 4.4 of android, ok? how much do you want 2 or 3 euros? Already, …. It already seemed to me…. no idea right?
Here the only way to enjoy android is to use google devices. That is the only way to make use of android in a dignified way, both for the user and for the system.
Now take the 2 or 3 euros and eat the leftovers they have left you.
by the way, on how many and which free software projects have you worked on? … .. you were saying ????
Uffff ... every time you get more in the well! Let's see
- "You don't give absolutely any kind of reasoning"
In other words, denying your example that free software has no future and that it is a utopia by putting counterexamples like apache, nginx, firefox, etc., is not reasoning, is it? No, of course, they are indisputable FACTS. There is no better truth than that 🙂 But you have the right not to read them if they contradict you, as it seems you have done.
- «(…) for example, cyberduck for mac. Before it was free, now it costs € 21,49 (…) »and all that nonsense paragraph
Stop confusing "free" with "free", please! That every time you sink deeper into your own filth 😀
I'm not going to talk about the costs you're talking about, because I don't know what they come from, nor do they add anything to the conversation. But just in case, let's make it clear again: FREE! = FREE
- "Apart of this. Free software is a reality, but in very few areas »
Let's see, I'm going to give a single example of each area ...
Image editing: GIMP http://www.gimp.org/
Editing vector graphics: Inkscape http://inkscape.org/en/
Media Player: VLC http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
MediaCenter: XBMC http://xbmc.org/
Accounting and ERP: OpenBravo http://www.openbravo.com/
File compression: 7zip http://www.7-zip.org/
Antivirus: ClamAV http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/
Database: MySQL http://www.mysql.com/
Web browser: Firefox http://www.firefox.es
Web server: apache httpd: http://projects.apache.org/projects/http_server.html
Distributed Computing: hadoop http://projects.apache.org/projects/hadoop.html
cloud computing: openstack http://www.openstack.org/
Programming language: python http://www.python.org/
Operating systems: linux http://kernel.org and much of the apple mavericks https://opensource.apple.com/release/os-x-109/
And here I leave it because the list can be sooo long.
But this is a few areas, right? Practically everything can be done with free software!
Well yes, basically, practically any program that you use in your day to day (except those that are very specific) is either free software (you would be surprised to know how many of the gadgets in your house go with linux inside) or it has a good alternative That it is. Projects that take years, and behind some there is a company and behind others not, and some are free and others are not. Look in http://www.osalt.com/ and you will see ... everything!
Think twice before saying that free software is a utopia or that it is relegated to very specific segments.
- «And since we are with little guys, I'm going to give you my HTC Dream, and you update it to version 4.4 of android, ok? How much do you want 2 or 3 euros? Already, …. It already seemed to me…. no idea right? »
You keep thinking that free is free. No, the difference between free and proprietary is that if you want some software in the OS of your iPhone and Apple does not want you to have it, you will not have it, period. With free software you can do it yourself, if you know, or pay someone to do it if you don't know. And as you say, people eat, and get paid according to the work they do. So it may cost you a lot or a little money, but you have the possibility, whereas with proprietary software you do not have it at all. I can't give you a clearer explanation!
By the way, the requirements for version 4.4, as you know, are 512MB of RAM, and your hypothetical Dream does not have them. But if you want a NexusOne, it can be done, no problem.
- «Here the only way to enjoy android is to use google devices. »
Does CyanogenMod sound familiar to you? http://www.cyanogenmod.org/ It is free software.
miui? http://en.miui.com/ it is also free software
ParanoidAndroid? https://plus.google.com/107979589566958860409/posts Soooo it's free software too!
These three small examples are for a LOT of devices that you can enjoy android on, and that are not from google. And with Android and free software!
- «By the way, how many and which free software projects have you worked on? … ..You were saying ???? »
And about me… I don't think it's relevant, but just so you can see what you're up against, I've collaborated on a lot of projects. Just to give you an idea, I am a system administrator using linux since 1996, and I have made a few monitoring plugins for nagios, apart from some fixes in other projects, translate applications, create manuals and how-tos, disseminate…. The complete pack, go 🙂 You have found one of those who are in the community, deep within it, and see how no company is needed to move forward 🙂 Today was not your day 😛
As you can see, even if you have disrespected me in a bad way, I am willing to help you understand free software that "that you had when I discovered it" back in the 90's. But if it can be, ask questions and not statements that hurt the eyes when reading them 😛 I will answer you with this holy patience that characterizes me 🙂
Look step to keep reading. Because one cannot debate, and two cannot read. I have reached cyberduck. You say what you want about what interests you. About the rest, you don't say anything.
The cyberduck thing. If it is not the same free as free and it is the example that I give you (that you cannot even read) that the software is free or not, it costs money, that's why cyberduck is free code and it still is, but before it was free and now NOOOOOOOO. Do you understand that !!!! You don't even know how to readrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Well, once you understand that, we continue.
What projects do you say !!!!! ahhh yes, a lot. Those are already worth it.
I a lot +1, so I think I beat you.
Of the rest, honestly I have not read it, pass. You DON'T know how to argue, you don't know how to debate, you don't know how to respond in an orderly fashion, and above all, you have no idea. And above you do not give reasoning.
In addition to the patience that characterizes you, absurdity also characterizes you.
The fact is that my HTC Dream I can't put Android 4.4 because it doesn't have enough RAM, but as you say «you ask your grandfather to update the iPhone 3G to the latest IOS. Can? NOOOOOO. But there will be some way, right? NOOOOO, none. " to 3G that I also have if I have to be able to put ios7, why yes, period, because you say so. For apple devices there can be no technical restrictions, for android devices yes. Well seen, well seen.
Seriously and sincerely. Pass from you, I have not read your comment, I have only looked a little over, and I am not interested.
Piro has to do something more interesting than arguing with a fool. You go to ... .. you take the ass with your eurillos who have given you to put free software in some junk of some old.
For people like you, the world goes as it goes. Neither reason, nor sense, nor logic, nor knowledge, nor debate, nor reading, nor understanding.
If you want, give me your email and I will discuss all the points one by one. And you answer them one by one, as in a real debate, not to the tun tun how are you doing your tun tun tun
Hey, you have written a lot of lines to not have read anything. But I already tell you that reading will be very good for you. Reading is good. The fanaticisms not so much.
Well, let's talk about the only thing you've ever read: Cyberduck.
You say it is worth money now and not before, as if it were bad. Okay, now it's worth pasta. And that? The cost that it has does not come much to mind ...
We were talking about whether free software is a utopia or not, whether it is viable or not.
Part of the free software survives exclusively from the community, part makes it half the community, half charging companies, and there is free software whose business model is only to charge.
There are successful examples of free software in all three categories. Cyberduck continues to survive, so you give me one more example of free software that is not a utopia ...
What then does it have to do with cyberduck being free before and not now?
I am having a real debate with arguments and facts, and links that support them. And you openly admit that you do not read them and then you say that I have not put them ... a bit incongruous, right?
It will be good for you to read what I write because it shows that you lack a little background. A bit_.
Joer, if I tell you that you do not find out.
1. It has to do that it is free with that it is free because I have told you that all software costs money. Yes, yes or yes.
2. There is free software counted on the fingers of a one-armed man that is 100% maintained by the internet community. The rest is paid, not you, but it is paid.
3. An example is in cyberduck. Before it was free and free. Now it's just free. Why? because people have to eat something.
4. What is this about? This goes to say that free software is a utopia. Utopia in what sense. In the sense that for me free software is something free in all its sense. Free of cost, free of manipulation, free of distribution. Free in every way. And if possible. And no, now it is NOT possible. Now it is a utopia. Why and in what sense? In the sense that someone pays for it and someone benefits from it. And in what sense more? In the sense that if I as a programmer take free software, modify it for my needs, it's over. Tomorrow when there is an update, I will have to make those modifications again, why? because part or all of what I modify will not be worth. For me that is NOT free, because it costs me time, it costs me effort and it costs me that time and effort every time there is an update. So right now free software means, 1. sacrifice updating and maintenance or 2. sacrifice free customization as you please.
Example of this? easily, ANDROID. Google releases a new version and we have to wait months to see it on our phones (if we can see it and / or know how to update, of course, but assuming we do). If we opt for a sony phone, we will sacrifice google updates. If we opt for a google mobile, we will sacrifice in sony customizations. TOTAL = we remain the same with or without free software, at least for the normal user.
That's what this whole thing is about, ok?
And I repeat, what I say happens in 99% of free software. There is very little free software that is really well structured to be really 100% FREE. Hence my assertion that it is a UTOPIA, not in the strict sense, but much beyond.
Now if you want, debate this, but you go out saying that I will not be able to update my iPhone 3G because ios is not free, but you cannot update the HTC dream, not because android is not free, but because it does not meet the technical specifications . And stay so comfortable.
- »In the sense that for me free software is something free in all its sense. Free of cost, free of manipulation, free of distribution. »
Fine, but we're not talking about what free software is * for you *. I think it's very good that you understand by free software what you want. But free software * for the world *, that is, free software * according to the FSF *, or free software according to * linus torvalds * (does the name sound familiar?), Or free software according to * Richard Stallman * is not that .
It is as if now I say that the wheels do not turn, and you tell me that they do. I tell you «look, this wheel doesn't spin» and you tell me «that's not a wheel, that's a fucking cube» and I tell you «but for me it's a wheel, and it doesn't spin ... so the wheels don't spin ! ». And I stay so wide!
Good for me!
Leave it Tomás, he's just an ignorant who's smart about it.
Free is not the same as free, we all have it clear except him, and everything he has written is dismantled just with that.
If you modify the code of, for example, firefox, it is no longer firefox, and I do not understand the reason why it asks for its version to be updated, what to know what it will do.
A person who says 'I know more than you' and does not have any kind of notion about the other person is totally discredited.
You can hire a programmer and it will probably cost you a lot, but you can install kitkat on your htd dream. You can have all the money in the world, but a programmer is not going to be able to put ios 7 on an iphone 3g.
And one thing is that it does not meet the minimum requirements and another that the owners do not want to sell you 'the best iphone from the iphone', but then with cydia you install it and it works perfectly.
1. "If you modify the code of, for example, firefox, it is no longer firefox, and I don't understand the reason why it asks for its version to be updated, what to know what it will do." So what you have in your HTC, sony or any other mobile «andorid» is not an Android. Ubuntu is neither linux nor unix, and neither is debin. It is clear with your example.
2. "A person who says 'I know more than you' and does not have any kind of notion about the other person is totally discredited." And you say yourself, «You can hire a programmer and it will probably cost you a lot, but you can install kitkat in your htd dream. You can have all the money in the world, but a programmer is not going to be able to put ios 7 on an iphone 3g. " - I ask, do you have all the money in the world to have verified that? no right? So what you say is pure speculation, right? it is nothing empirical. YOU ALSO ARE COMPLETELY DISCREDITED. Suppose what you want, but when you prove it empirically, only then the rule is confirmed. Have you proved it? NO, COMPLETELY DISCREDITED
3. "And one thing is that it does not meet the minimum requirements and another that the owners do not want to sell you 'the best iphone from the iphone', but then with cydia you install it and it works perfectly." YOU CONTRADICATE YOURSELF, DON'T YOU SAY THAT EVEN WITH ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD YOU CAN DO THAT? OR IT SEEMS YES?
First things first.
1. Ubuntu is not Linux directly, it is a distribution. The same would happen if you modified the Firefox code. It would not be Firefox, it would be a derivative. It's very easy, right?
2. I don't need to have all the money in the world to do that, because I have knowledge, and I have proof that there is a community that already does it. Does Cyanogenmod sound familiar to you?
3. Windows 7 cannot be installed on computers with less than 512MB of RAM. Some developers have been able to modify parameters so that it runs on computers with at least 128. They are the so-called 'Lite' versions.
These are incompatibilities due to hardware requirements.
Apple DOES NOT want me to install ios 7 on my iphone 3gs, or ios 5 on my iphone 3g. Well, you can jump off a bridge because it can't be done. Why? Because Apple doesn't want to.
And if I decide that I want to lower my iphone 5s from ios 7 to ios 6 because it consumes less battery and the new functions I will not use them… Can I? Not because? Because Apple doesn't want to.
You don't want to understand it, because you don't understand it, the empirical data prove me right.
that we go in parts.
1. Ubuntu is a UNIX distribution with a LINUX kernel. Go to http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu . Look where it says nucleus on the right, what does it say? Linux? A ok. Solved. If you don't agree, call wikipedia and tell them. Don't tell me stories. END at this point.
2. Yes, if you need all the money in the world or all the knowledge in the world to give something that is just a guess as absolute truth. What you say is nothing empirical. You have not verified that a 3G can be put on ios7, neither you nor anyone else. Since you have knowledge, it shows empirically that you cannot technically install an ios3 on an iPhone 7G. Come on, do it, the smart guy. ehh !! Something empirical and demonstrable, that you say something because if it is not worth it, eh! END at this point.
3 that? What is Windows 7 coming here and now? I don't care and I'm not interested…. anyway. END, this point is unnecessary….
Apple doesn't want you to install ios7 on a 3G and sony doesn't want you to install android 5.5 (future) on a sony ericson XXXXX. And that? How do you do it? Well, with the work of others. As a possessor of an iPhone 3G will do it, as well as you, with the work of the entire jailbreak scene. Whether a hacker is interested in doing so or not is a matter of interest. Whether or not it can be done is quite another matter. Nor does apple want ios to install itself on something that is not theirs and it has already been achieved, right? Y? Well, that one thing is what apple wants and another is what it can or cannot do. As with everything else.
The empirical data gives you nothing. In ios7 it is not possible to downgrade at the moment. Just like when google just released version XX of android you cannot install it on your HTC until someone does not carry it or HTC does not release its update. What does that say? That's empirical, you can't do it until someone else gets it. When someone gets it, if you can do it. I can downgrade from my ios6 to my ios5. and YES I can and YES is empirical and demonstrable.
Once again, you can't do something no matter how much free software it is, why? why you DON'T KNOW. same as the rest of ios and android user. You only do it when someone gives you the way to do it. And there are times that neither HTC nor SAMSUNG give you that path and you have to go the other way, whatever it may be. Just like apple.
Something else that can take away your reason ??? I thought so
and what then is free software? You say that you do not speak of what it is for me, but of what free software is, what is it then?
"Free software refers to the freedom of users to run, copy, distribute, and study it, and even modify the software and distribute it modified" - according to wikipedia.
"Free of cost, free of manipulation, free of distribution." - according to me. Except for the cost, it is the same what I say and what it is. Now start debating from there.
The only thing you have focused on is cost, so you start debating from there.
Broadly speaking, free software is one whose source code is available for manipulation.
Joer, if it is that, it makes me angry because I keep reading… ..
Look, you win. Free software exists in all areas. People who use free software ????? 1% of the population, removing web pages. If it is true, free software is the future in this world of people who take advantage of the work of others, yes sir, it is the future. That's why only 1% of the population uses Linux (to say something, I think it is about 5%) that there is free software for other platforms ??? that yesiiii that yesiiiiiiii that how many people use it ??? How much is free software used ???? (That you remove from your head everything that has to do with the internet !!!!!!!!!!! Yes, it is in the only area in which it is used massively !!!!) that you tell even a designer what design program do you use !!!!!!! and now I design another 1000 more and do statistics. Tell an accountant what program he uses !!!! and now tell 1000 more and see how many use it !!!! that when free software is used in a very small percentage, what happens in android! that is that you seem silly (that I do not insult you that I only say that you seem it) that you have to explain everything, that the problem of android and its free software is that all companies pervert it! that they adulterate it !!!! that leave it useless !!!!! that all those variants that you have put on android you have had to look for them with luuuppppppaaaaaa, that yoooo who knows computer science had not heard them speak in my life and use less, so tell it to 90% of android users who have less idea that I!!!!!!!!!!! Do not give me examples that you know 1000 people in the world! that you do not realize that you speak without meaning or loooogica !!!! you don't realize that this is about android being un-upgradeable ??? and only in 5% of the cases is it easy to do !!!!! It seems that you are speaking by yourself that you do not listen or attend to what is being said or to the post !!!!! What is it that I have already told you that you seem stupid (and again, I am not insulting you, I'm just telling you that you look stupid, and in case I told you that you're stupid, I wouldn't be insulting you because it is that you are, and if you are a thing, no matter how degrading, it is not an insult !!!!!).
Goodbye.
by the way, when I say "Free software is a utopia, a dream that will never come true" I mean it symbolically, not in the strict sense of the words.
By this I mean that free software really only exists in a few projects. That utopia of being able to create between "everyone" a software that everyone can use as and when they want and adapt to their needs with total freedom and knowing that they have support and updates whenever they need it. That mere fact is the mere fact of being free software, and that mere fact rarely exists.
Right now I can't take firefox, for example, create a custom version for me, and what will happen when firefox updates? I keep my outdated version, or that or I repeat my customization on the new version that firefox launches (which is what happens with android). And so we go, to each new version, again to get the job done. And again again. There is no free software in that sense, I cannot take any free software and customize it for my needs, because as soon as I do that, goodbye to support, goodbye to updates, goodbye to everything, because it is no longer the software that I I took is another, another that I will have to maintain and update myself. That happens with android.
Look, let's do one thing, just to be clear. Tell me one, only ONE reason why you like free software, not for what is good or not, just ONE reason why you like free software. With that you will say everything. Tell the.
I like Free Software because we make and create what consumers want, not what comes out of the shit for capitalist companies (:
Do you like my reason? ^^
you drink ??, you drink dicks that's the only thing you drink
Hey, seriously, does Apple pay you to do this? hahahahahahahaha.
From that you can see that you understand.
hahahahahaha +1